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December 14, 2012



Fuck You Guns

Journal Entry: Fri Dec 14, 2012, 2:33 PM

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I agree wholeheartedly with this particular article.

Not only is it time to talk about gun control, it is long, long past due, to talk about gun control.

'Guns don't kill people; people kill people' - yeah sure, but guns make it obscenely easy for people that kill people, to kill a whole fucking lot of people, in a disgustingly short amount of time and with no effort at all.

An ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.  Elementary school.


People are sick.

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DRa90NBoi Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm late to the discussion, but I'd like to throw in my opinion if I may. Tragic incident indeed.

Sure, let's talk about guns (not necessarily about gun control). Let's talk about how they can be used to kill and that they are serious business and not a toy. Let's talk about the different ways guns are portrayed in different cultures and forms of media. Let's talk about them so we are not ignorant about the effects of guns, both fact and fiction. I'm all about talking about something we all don't understand--that's cool.

What I'm not for is about punishing every law-abiding citizen for the mistake of a few. That's too much of mob-rule democracy and leg-jerk reaction. I would take the more logical approach and find the source of the issue than to jump to conclusions. Who was the shooter, find out about him. Where did he live, what were the conditions he was under. Was he on psychotropic drugs? (Drugs are usually a huge cause of incidents such as this, but the media tends to pay no mind to it and propagates the issue more about guns--Big Pharma has a huge grip on our medical culture, hint, hint.) We seriously need to look at the use and adverse effects of intense pharmaceutical drugs to treat mental illnesses--put more research into psychological disorders and how to treat them properly, and less on issuing the drugs to solve all the problems (because they usually cause more troubles than fix them).

Instead of celebrating, glorifying and perverting the shooter in the media, why don't we make note of all the victims by name and face, then make the investigation of the shooter as boring as possible? The problem is that there's too much attention on the shooter that other potential shooters may be influenced by this and you'll get more and more cases of tragic mass shooting events. The solution is to prevent it from happening, not punish everyone and expect it to go away. It's just as frivolous as the "war on drugs" and the "war on terrorism"--you seriously would rather have a war on non-tangible ideas that can't fight back? So a "war on guns" is a reasonable answer? I honestly don't think so.

If you have studied history, you'll know that the Prohibition of Alcohol did not stop the alcohol-related crime, but created a boom in the illegal smuggling rings of alcohol products. That resulted in more violent crimes, more corruption in authority, and a growth in the criminal mob culture. The same will happen if guns are banned--one modern example of that is Mexico. Mexico has harsh gun ban laws and yet have you heard the incidents of mass shootings and gang-related gun warfare due to the drug and weapons trafficking down there? Maybe not, the news doesn't report on it much, if at all anymore.

What if we take this tragic situation and turned it around--What if all the teachers were trained in the use of firearms and had licenses to conceal carry? If the shooter came in, he wouldn't have had a chance to have such a high body count and the teachers didn't have to result in turning into a human shield to protect their kids. Yet, if teachers with guns are too extreme for some people, let's say there was actually armed security in the school. From what I've heard, the school was built very securely, with buzzer locks, gates, and everything--where was the security during the shooting anyway? Who gave the okay to let the guy in? Obviously a school built like a fortress can't keep gun wielders out. I've also heard there were multiple suspects, multiple potential shooters. Having a lone gunman is always a common "official story" when a story first "breaks"--I put these terms in quotations because sometimes the media likes to play the public for fools, so and "official story" could be a made-up lie or and otherwise confused take on what actually happened and stories don't usually break within a few minutes of the incident, it usually takes some time for the info to get around and retains it's accuracy. Either way, it's so easy to blame one guy to glorify him in the news than it is to show that it was a coordinated effort by multiple people--they don't want us to start connecting the dots because we'll end up finding the source of the problem, so they ignore certain details so we only get less than half of what happened and make up the rest of the story in our heads. So with all the information, will you still blame the gun?

Blaming the gun is a really easy cop-out to looking and actually investigating the situation. Putting a gun in a person's hands does not make that person a killer with mass-murder on their mind. That's like blaming the source of the problem of overeating is spoons and forks, knives and napkins--that's just silly. Obesity is cause by the foods the person eats and the person themselves making the decision to each such foods, how often, etc. So in that respect, it's who is holding the gun that's the issue. Take some accountability, please. Guns don't kill people--people kill people. We are all responsible for our actions, we can prevent such incidents from happening without having to throw away our own security and ultimately, our Constitutional rights. Once all our rights go, what else will go?

I encourage everyone to open their minds and look into this more before jumping to a final decision blindly. There will be consequences to every action you take and this is no exception. In my opinion, there will be more mass shootings because of how hyped-up this shooter is in the media (making the body count number more important than the name of each innocent victim) and the public will be so afraid, so paranoid, that they will allow the gun bans. Once the gun bans happen, it'll only get worse from there. No one will be able to protect themselves from the new illegal guns that will suddenly pop up everywhere, toted by criminals and power-abusive authorities. Remember, making something illegal isn't always for your benefit, whether you'd like to think it does.
Izz-noxfox Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012  Professional General Artist
There was that young man on Batman's release day, now this one --plus all the others before, Colombine, etc...
Seen from Europe it sounds just crazy, but we know all these deaths won't change the things, that Southerners won't give up their weapons so easily.
But seriously, here it's much more difficult to get a firearm and obviously, we don't have such problems so often. We had some Jew children killed in their primary school last year in France, the killer was a young man too but he was also a trained islamist terrorist who wanted to affiliate with Al Qaida somehow. There was also an attack in Belgium that killed two teens and a granny, but there it was a criminal's last "fuck you society", the man was dealing weapons... and used them.

But if a stupid young dude feels that his life is shitty, that people don't give him enough attention, he can't just take a riffle and go kill people like in a video game. They want to be famous, to mark history even if it's with blood of the innocent. Those people should be mocked even after their death, nationally humiliated to discourage other stupid young people to do the same thing, because it's becoming a fashion! There's no honor in such acts, only horror and shame, such acts are only the proof that you failed as human being. And you'll be remember as nothing but a looser.
Batichi Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012
In my opinion, I believe that there is a good difference between a weapon and a tool. A hunting rifle is a tool that can be used as a weapon, and a pistol is a weapon that can be used as a tool in a desperate situation. I believe all responsible individuals should have access to these, but in moderation and with proper training. Guns are an easy way to kill things, but should only be reserved for hunting animals. At most there should only be one handgun per qualified adult per residence. It can be a pain in the ass to even get a drivers license, why isn't' it the same way with guns? Every citizen should have an access to a defensive weapon, but there is a line between defense and paranoia. And yes, I know most crimes are committed with unregistered guns and that sort of stuff, but at the same time it seems like there are too many guns already to keep track of them all.
prettyflour Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I hope that bastard rots in hell. Actually, I wish he was still alive so that I could hand him over to all of the parents of the deceased children so that they could torture him violently.
Izz-noxfox Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012  Professional General Artist
I wouldn't suggest torture but humiliation. Torture would make him a martyr and that's what he wanted, to be famous. Humiliation, denial and mocking is what would really hurt him, to be labeled as a failure, a looser, because that's all he is. Also it would be good to do this to discourage other young men to do the same, because it's getting quite trendy. There was the Batman dude few months ago...
Kraschman1111 Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Actually as we learn more it would appear that the shooter in question was one seriously messed up young man with a lot of serious issues.

It's not remotely an excuse for what he chose to do, but for myself even as a right-winger, general proponent of the 2nd Amendment, and believer in stiff sentences for violent crimes, it's at least a serious reminder not to be too quick to pass judgement on others. Who's to say that any of us, were we not from the same situation/life as this guy, wouldn't have snapped and done the same thing ourselves...
prettyflour Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I am going to politely disagree. I look at myself, a woman who overcame a dreadful childhood filled with poverty and two parents who were drug addicts and alcoholics and I CHOSE to do something different with my life.

Regardless of any issues he may have had, the killer invited judgement by making drastic choices that included opening fire in an elementary school and killing 26 people in the process. He knew exactly what would happen if he pointed a gun at a five year old and pulled the trigger repeatedly. And that is exactly what he did and that is exactly why millions of people will judge him harshly, including myself.

Although I can not speak to the mindset and/or problems/life situation of the man who murdered twenty innocent children, I'm just saying that he CHOSE to commit murder and I believe that he took the easy way out by taking his own life.

He was a fucking coward.
Kraschman1111 Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
You obviously had the skills to make better choices. Perhaps he didn't. There are some reports I've seen indicating he had serious mental health issues. That might well explain his inability to make appropriate choices compared to say you or I.

Not saying that what he did was in any way forgivable, but it's a mistake to be too quick to judge others when we haven't shared their experiences.
prettyflour Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Sorry, that last line wasn't so polite. My apologies. This happened very close to my home and is obviously a very sensitive subject for me. My apologies for my use of harsh language.
nervene Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012
A sick tragedy committed by a sick person.

I don't feel that gun control is such a simple black-and-white issue like the loudest opinions on both sides suggest (and like I used to believe, myself), or that because we can draw similarities between amounts of guns and these kinds of tragedies that they are necessarily interlinked, among other more fundamental factors like the nation's behavioural health trends. Of course these could not happen without guns, there is no denying that guns make killing quite easy, but I also think it must be recognized that it is not the gun that makes someone kill; that it is within the mind that these decisions are made, and that banning/highly limiting guns for everyone to attempt to curb this from happening might not necessarily be treating the actual issue, but more akin to treating a symptom of illness rather than the illness itself. And I certainly understand that that's a lot harder to fix than taking weapons away, but that it may be the only way that addresses the issue directly rather than indirectly.

When people are stabbed we do not say "fuck knives", or at least I have never heard that; we seem to intuitively grasp that it's the person holding the knife that is what the anger should be directed at. No, knives can't slay so many so easily, of course, but despite that the carnage is increased with guns, we are left with similar scenarios of someone harming others with a tool; why do we seem more prone to blame the tool in the case of guns - at what point on the knives <-> guns damage spectrum did a significant amount of the blame switch from the person to the weapon? Can we quantify the damage needed for this change in judgement and perspective? How many people must die in an event for us to treat the tool equally at fault as the person who used it? And does that necessarily make sense? I question this not in an attempt to reveal a solution to crimes that involve knives or guns, but as a psychological game of sorts to reveal how we, ourselves, are thinking.

I feel that the issue is not as simple as either of the most prominent sides at conflict on this topic will tend to accept. I am certainly not saying guns play no role, but I do feel that it makes a lot of sense to consider that it is the people doing these things to blame for why these situations occur. Surely the solution is somewhere in the grey, or perhaps a different color altogether (if we will subscribe to the idea that grey is a color).
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